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gabriel
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28/1/2005
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Have a Stainer copy? Stainer is burnt in back, top and back of violin extremely arched. Very mellow tone. The violin came from Russian dealer. Label reads "Jacobus Stainer in Abfam prope Oenipontum 1633." Instrument has been repaired multiple times without acknowledged repairs. Who could possibly tell me the age of this instrument? Live in California. Thank you for your help ;-)


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30/5/2005
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Could be the real deal, but Stainer originals are very rare. Even more than the stradd's. But from what you describe it may be worth taking it to a reconditioner.


Gabriel
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31/5/2005
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Thank you for your reply. Do you have any suggestions of who would be a knowlegable reconditioner in the U.S?


Gordon
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31/5/2005
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Hi Gabriel,

Before you go off spending a fortune having it restored, maybe you should do some research on Stainer and his violins.

Branding appears on fakes and copies, printed tickets on originals are extremely rare, and it is thought by many that any genuine Stainer with a printed ticket had its ticket inserted by a dealer who knew what he had. Mostly, Stainer's tickets (when he was bothered to use them) are hand-written and very peculiar and individualistic in style.

What you have to remember is that if it has been in for repair 'so many times' then chances are if it is genuine at least one of the repairers would have realised, and by now it would be in a collection somewhere and certainly would have authentication papers.

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Gordon


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02/12/2005
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perhaps it may interest you that should it be made in 1633, it would make stainer 12 years old at the time of prodution, what a little luthier prodigy?!


Gabriel
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02/12/2005
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Stainer - A prodigy! What an interesting concept. One never knows! Thanks Pingy for replying - Gabe


Ashley
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05/12/2005
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I was at a friend's house the other day and happened to stumble upon one of her many collected violins- she does not play, however, so she doesn't really know the value or anything, for that matter about violins at all, in general. I took some time to study one in particular to my interest and found it to have what looks to be a printed label on the inside labeled Jacobus Stainer in Absam prope Oenipontum 1665. The front and back of the violin appear to be two slightly different shades of color and on the top of the back side, "Stainer" is branded into the wooden frame. I'm wondering if it is possible that this is an authentic Stainer violin, and how I would go about finding out if it is real, and also wondering if I should spend the time and money to restore it.
Ashley


Gordon M Burns
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05/12/2005
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The stamp and printed label tell it to be a copy, probably German, c.1880-1900.
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Gordon


Pingy
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09/12/2005
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AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh you ruined a young boys imagination, i was all worked up over it being a stainer (Sigh)


Gabriel
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09/12/2005
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Now Pingy, don't despair. My violin is truly awesome, even it's not a original Stainer, it's sound is the best. Stainer may had been a prodigy. Why don't you let me know!


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09/12/2005
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All i Know is he was famous from a young age and had made violins approved by mozart at the age of 17, sounds like a very good copy though as it sounds like it has the typical arched belly, my violin teacher plays on a stainer copy worth between 4000 and 10000, good copies fetch good money so dont despair.........




john april
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25/12/2005
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hello, my dad gave me my great grandfathers violin for xmass.i guess i have a copy/replica after reading the info here as i know nothing of violins.. i guess i dont understand why they would put a printed sticker saying jacobus stainer in abram prope oeneportum 1819 if its commom knowledge he lived centuries earlier. either way its beautifull, the back has very nice tigerstriping.maybe its german? any telltale clues to to its origin ? thank you


Gordon M Burns
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25/12/2005
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Already, Christmas gift-horses are being looked in the mouth! Is this what Christmas and the celebration of the birth of Christ has now become? I guess so! Materialism rules, OK!

It's not possible to give you any more information than that already existing on this forum. I suggest you take some time out this Christmas period to explore the past posts and discover the truth for yourself.

Gordon


Dennis Ganje
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02/1/2006
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my friend got a Jacobus StainerIN Absam Prope
Oenipontum 1665 we are or he is wondering what it is worth. He got it from his father who recently passed away


Gabriel
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02/1/2006
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I am going to suggest what everyone with common sense has stated previously. The chances of our violins being authentic Stainers are next to nil. Any repairer worth his/her weight would have left valid repair information in the violin and not let an original Stainer out of their sight. If money is your interest - The best way to determine the value of a violin is to have it appraised by a reputable dealer. Fortunately for me there is one available and when I'm ready to find out my violin's makeup I will spend the money and that is only to understand it's age/history! My instrument is not an original Stainer, but it does have a wonderful strong mellow tone that I and my family enjoy and that's all that really matters is the music it creates. Mr. Burns thank you for your excellent advice and your patience with what has transpired with this link. This is my last response and may everyone have a blessed New Year! Sincerely, Gabriel


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03/1/2006
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Gabriel
Thanks for the comeback I will pass this information back to my friend. He thinks it is an original because of the way his dad had kept it. His dad was a very good player and was well known in some bands including Loretta lynn. The words Jacobus Stainer in Absam Prope Oenipontum 1665 is burn't in the inside. My friend said it came from Norway from a friend of his. But who knows? Thanks again Dennis


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23/1/2006
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A FRIEND JUST LENT ME HER STAINER VIOLIN AND I SEARCHED ON WEBSITES AND IT LOOKS LIKE AN ORIGINAL
IT SAYS "JACOBUS STAINER......." BUT WHEN THE DATE COMES IT SAYS"16--"
dOES ANYONE NOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!!!!!!!


Kelly
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10/3/2006
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I have a Jacobus Stainer violin with text inside ''Jacobus Stainer in Abfam prope Oenipontum 1710'' is this worth anything? how much?? please help!!!


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