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Marc
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28/9/2005
12:57:10
Subject: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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I now have a repair quote for my Schweitzer violin. It is a copy of course made in 1805. The repairs and cost are as follows. I was told that the value after repair will be approx. $1,400.00 - $1,800.00 (US). Not sure if this is true. Is the cost of $450.00 fair?

1. Reset neck $225.00
2. Glue table crack, rib opening $40.00
3. New bridge $95.00
4. New tailpiec and set strings $40.00
5. Clean and polish $50.00

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1. New soundpost $60.00
2. New end button $25.00
3. Replace wood chip on edge $50.00



Lyndon J Taylor
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28/9/2005
17:57:47
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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Sounds resonable if the repairman is of the highest caliber, I charge $50 to set a bridge and $40 for a soundpost, hand made, the price for resetting the neck seems quite resonable, that can be quite a job, I've never heard of Schweitzer copies being worth $1800 otherwise I'd be buying them on ebay, there are lots of them, and it wouldn't have been made in 1805, the labels fake remember, that's the time period of genuine Schweitzers, Perhaps the value given is and inflated "insurance' value, quite a bit higher than actual retail value and higher still than what you might be able to sell it for yourself. I would definetly pay for the new soundpost, on old violins they practically never fit properly when you get them. sincerely Lyndon J TAylor violinljt@hotmail.com


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28/9/2005
19:39:22
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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Hi,

I agree almost entirely with Lyndon, the differences being that I am in the UK, but I do a bridge for £25, £15 for a soundpost (£35 if done together). The new end button sounds a little expensive, especially taking account of the edgework repair which is much more difficult and time consuming to undertake.

A top class repairer/restorer will charge these prices (especially the bridge/soundpost).

Try to find another repairman to quote you and compare the two quotes before giving it to the first one you came across.

Re. the date - did you mistype? Should you have typed 1905 for the copy date? This sounds more likely than 1805.

Regards, and good luck,
Gordon


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28/9/2005
20:38:51
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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I'd just like to ask what is wrong with the neck when it needs reset and also if the copy is dated as you stated 1805 is there an obvious or fake graft at the pegbox joint to neck? The price for gluing the table crack makes me suspicious that you are using an amateur as the labour to remove the top would inflate this price greatly, say to $200 and the sound-post price seems a little high as I am same as Gordon but sometimes have to charge slightly more if underside of belly is badly worn. I agree with Gordon, if your in doubt about any of the quote then get a second opinion. Get a recommendation from other people who have got work done if it makes you feel easier.


Lyndon J Taylor
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28/9/2005
21:00:26
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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I just wanted to add, finding the cheapest repairman is not really a logical idea, generally the higher qualified repairman charges more, if you have an expensive fiddle which it seems you don't you definetly want to trust the work to the most qualified person even if you have to pay more, I'm suprised the quote doesn't include new pegs usually on an older violin, even a quality one the pegs are worn or warped enough to need replacing. I'm not as qualified as the top Los Angeles shops and my repair prices reflect that, I know one shop that charges $150 to set a bridge and labour rates are commonly set at $100/hr mine is $50 /hr and by that I mean I am about half as good as the top shops, no bones about it, but if you have a cheaper fiddle I can do the work for half the price, I don't even offer to work on expensive violins and reccomend them to the top shops, I even send out some violins I buy myself because the work is more difficult than I feel comfortable doing, I can tell you resetting a neck can be very difficult to get perfectly straight and I wouldn't want to go with the cheaper shop on that. I do think there is a distinct possibility the shop is inflating the appraised value to make you more likely to pay for the repairs, it would have to be a particularly fine Schweitzer copy to be worth near that much and most are worth about $1000 or less is my impression, the finest makers rarely wasted their time putting fake labels but proudly used their own name on the label, Schweitzer copies usually go for $200-400 on ebay they are a little more in demand that Strad or Stainer copies so I assume there must be something that makes them a little better, anyway that's my opinion, sincerely Lyndon By the way $500 to get an old violin in playing condition is not a bad price the repairman doesn't seem to be making up repairs you don't need violinljt@hotmail.com


jacqui walker
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28/9/2005
21:01:12
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I have an 1813 original 38 cm violin could you advise on approx value
Thanks



Marc
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29/9/2005
16:45:22
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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Thank you all for the great feedback. The individual who looked at the violin is well known and respected in Orange County California. He did say that it was a copy and was very specific about the date made - early 1800s (1805ish). It was not made between the wars. Perhaps this changes the value? Not sure how he came to the value of $1,800 but agree that it could be a sales technique.


Lyndon J Taylor
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29/9/2005
19:08:59
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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Your repairman is full of it,if it was 1805 then it would be agenuine Schweitzer worth $10,000-20,000 at a guess the copies date from perhaps 1870 well in to the 20th century, nobody made SChweitzer copies in 1805 they made Stainer, Amati and Stradivari copies just like Schweitzer did


Lyndon J Taylor
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29/9/2005
22:15:15
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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Dear Marc, I thought of one thing, perhaps your repairman is saying its a 1805 violin by someone else with a fake Schweitzer label added later, in this case it should have a neck scroll graft for that early a date, anyway I'm only about 80 miles away from you in Redlands near San Bernadino, you can even give me a call not before 12pm at 909-793-8506 or email me at violinljt@hotmail.com sincerely Lyndon


Marc
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01/10/2005
05:10:29
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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Lyndon,

I headed back the repairman on Friday to confirm the date. After some thought he said that the violin is from the early to mid 1800s. Definitely not the 1900s. He also noted that the estimated ‘insured’ value is between $1,400 and $1,800 (after repairs). He went on to say that after my total investment of $675 it would be the equivalent buying the violin at wholesale. It seems that if i ever wanted to sell it that I could not get the return on my investment. With this said, I’ve decided to not have the repairs made at this time.


monstersdoexist
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28/1/2006
01:27:46
RE: Validate $450.00 Repair Quote Joh. Bapt Schweitzer
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Seems you have decided to invest a sizeable sum into this instrument. As the owner of a Schweitzer myself, I am interested to know the outcome of your adventures with the luthier. I paid well over 500 US for my Amati Copy, and the wooden case that houses it, is as old as the fiddle. I see a lot of cheap beaters with the Schweitzer name being sold on ebay. Wish I had the money to buy them all up and use them for firewood just to save the good name of our quality copies. Oh, well, Caviat Emptor.


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